>> i think the media in general said that mitt romney won the debate. before you say duh, no kidding, that's obvious, that's not a small point. this is the same media that you and i, bill, have talked about as being barak obama's most loyal base. so if they acknowledge that their guy lost, that tells us something. and i think what it tells us is that while the media is willing to cover for barak obama, while it'sle to circle the wagons for him and even root for him, they will not let barak obama embarrass them. they will not make -- let barak obama make them look more pathetic or more stupid than usual because that's the one thing they won't tolerate. they tell all of us that barak obama is the smartest guy in the room, perhaps the smartest guy on the planet. they tell us that all the time. the fact is barak obama lost the debate not just on style points, he lost it on intellectual points. and it made the media look bad and i think that's why they did that. do i have 15 more seconds? >> bill: yeah, go ahead. >> right after the debate, there were more th